Keeping Hots

[quote="LaurenC"]

Jaxsin wrote:Same I don't agree with hot's being kept in residential propertys theres to many risks that come if it does somehow manage to escape the premises (I know this would be very........ rare but theres always that chance) theres alot of people that could be harmed and probably don't relise how bad the bite is going to be if it does manage to tag someone.quote]

Ireland is completely ill equipped to deal with any such incident but the fact remains that people do keep hots and even with an all out ban probably will always keep hots. I agree with a form of licensing if drafted and enforced correctly, by informed personnel but will it do the job? Does the DWA?

Hots are being kept, will be kept and surely the best measure is to promote responsible keeping to ensure such an incident never happens? Things such as correct tools and equipment, double locked vivs in secure rooms ( vents covered, windows locked, doors locked ), snake hook always outside the door, labels on each individual snake with common and latin name, warning on exterior door that dangerous reptiles reside within and do not enter......

[quote="Jaxsin"]

LaurenC wrote:

Jaxsin wrote:Same I don't agree with hot's being kept in residential propertys theres to many risks that come if it does somehow manage to escape the premises (I know this would be very........ rare but theres always that chance) theres alot of people that could be harmed and probably don't relise how bad the bite is going to be if it does manage to tag someone.quote]

Ireland is completely ill equipped to deal with any such incident but the fact remains that people do keep hots and even with an all out ban probably will always keep hots. I agree with a form of licensing if drafted and enforced correctly, by informed personnel but will it do the job? Does the DWA?

Hots are being kept, will be kept and surely the best measure is to promote responsible keeping to ensure such an incident never happens? Things such as correct tools and equipment, double locked vivs in secure rooms ( vents covered, windows locked, doors locked ), snake hook always outside the door, labels on each individual snake with common and latin name, warning on exterior door that dangerous reptiles reside within and do not enter......

oops this didn't show in my last post for some reason so gotta type it again lol :x

I wasn't looking for a debate when whether its ok or not to keep venomous in residental area was just saying my personal opinion you can go over protocol after protocol but none of this will change my personal opinion.

As I said before as a part of a family with young and vunerable people about my house I would be worried if say someone 2 doors down from me had a hot just because he is a responsible keeper doesn't mean that first I know that he is a responsible keeper and second even responsible keepers make mistakes tho the number of escapee hots are very very limited to a few I still wouldn't want to chance the fact of one in my area escaping.

I never even meantioned once about all out ban not once did I meantion about a licensing system I just disagree which them being in build up residental estates plus no harm but the DWA is useless it does nothing to stop unresponsible keepers but make it harder to find a hot that hasn't been recorded.

If say someone was on their own land away from big residential areas honestly I really wouldn't care its got nothing to do with me if they get tagged but if its putting other people at risk thats a different story and as you say Ireland is ill equipped for venomous bites so what happens if a member of the public does get bit? what do you say to their families if the unfortunate does happen? Alot of hot keepers tell no one in their area they have a hot so what if someone does get bit by an escapee snake and thinks "its just a snake" and continues their day till they know somethings wrong? usually by then its to late anyway.

Nor am I looking to start a debate or change your personal opinion. I was pointing out that people will keep them anyway regardless of your opinion so why not promote responsible keeping to lessen the likelihood of an incident occurring? In some cases the people keeping them may not have the knowledge of how to best house or deal with hots. There are people out there who, like it or not, will keep a boa or two and pick up a rattler next week. If we cant stop them why not try to educate them? Give them somewhere to turn to for advice on feeding, equipment, best practice….

I know you didn’t mention an all out ban but if you look at the context in which it was written, I did not suggest you mentioned it. I was using it to illustrate the point that even if an all out ban was in place, people will still keep them.

What happens if a member of the public gets savaged by an akita that was not muzzled and was on a lead held by a 14yr old boy? You can spectulate all you like. Its all hypothetical. The point I am making is that its unavoidable that people will keep hots, so lets make sure its been done correctly and that they have a protocol and orocedure in place

If a member of the public was bitten , I ‘d hazard a guess that they are far more likely to assume the worst rather than say “oh its just a snake” wandering aimlessly in my garden….in dublin / derry/ Belfast …..I'm guessing they would be straight to their nearest hospital. Of course if the keeper knew how best to respond to the situation, he could have alerted the appropiate authorithies and have the surrounding area searched so as to avoid such an encounter

Warren_Booth wrote:Just called a friend quickly. He has some for $250 a piece right now. I think Glade Herps aslo got some in recently.

Warren

Thanks Warren, will take this up via PM

they are gorgeous snakes

and you are completely right lauren
some people just want them so that they can say yeah i own this very dangerous snake
its a shame that people buy them and then dont care for them :(

but they get bite its there own fault and i can understand why they would bite aswel

am sure anyone would be pissed off if they werent being cared for properly :)